Episode 7 : Co-Creation

This conversation delves into the transformative power of co-creation, emphasizing the importance of trust, shared vision, and the natural emergence of roles among collaborators. 

The Trifecta share their experiences in building a supportive partnership, highlighting how their unique gifts contribute to a collective creative energy. 

They discuss the iterative process of learning and adapting, encouraging others to embrace experimentation in their collaborative efforts. In this conversation, T

he Trifecta explore the importance of intimacy and collaboration in co-creation, emphasizing the need for alignment in vision and values. They discuss the red flags to watch for in partnerships, the role of competition as a source of inspiration, and the transformational experiences that arise from effective co-creation. 

The conversation culminates in a framework for conscious co-creation that includes curiosity, connection, community, and celebration.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Co-creation. We've made it through the framework. It starts with dot dot dot with all of us. The trifecta. It does.

SPEAKER_01 0:12

Helena Sonia Heather here.

unknown 0:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:14

So good to be back. So good. This is like the big daddy of them all. No, no, that would be like the conscious partnership one. But this one is um really about something, creating something that wouldn't exist without you coming together, whether it's two of you or four of you or six of you, whatever it is. There's a there's an entity that gets created, whether it's an actual like offering or whatever that might be for you, something that's unexpected, bigger, something more aligned comes through when you're when you're creating it together. So today we want to talk about how to know when you're ready to move from collaboration to co-creation. We're gonna cover the trust factor again, um, sharing that vision, which we've mentioned in the last episode, how to identify roles, because that's a cool one when you're starting to co-create. And that's a really good one, actually. We'll talk about why that is. That feels good to me, like in my body. Um, there's creative energy that you sort of generate together. I I think that when you come together in person or you know, otherwise, you sort of create something bigger, which is really cool, and a big one that we'll talk about um as maybe a pitfall, which is not keeping score, but really trusting that everyone's sort of coming to the table. So why don't we start talking about a little bit more of the trust and the vision? We sort of skim the surface a little bit on that and collaboration, but maybe think about co-creation, maybe your experience of co-creating in our trifecta and how trust and vision maybe played a role in that.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

I can start on that. I think in terms of our trifecta, such a great example because we all knew each other before we came together. We knew each other's work, we had seen each other in action. Um, we would absolutely, I think I can speak for all of us, refer out each other, like no question, because we trust the quality of each other's work. Um I think, you know, having that trust and having seen each other in action multiple times, and then having our own independent relationships with each other and then all knowing each other, it's it's you're getting into the game a little differently. It's not brand new. It's not like you're coming to the table and then meeting your collaborators or your co-creators. I don't think you can that'd be tough to meet a co-creator, the way we're talking about it in this framework, cold. I think it needs that trust needs to be there before, or at least it certainly supports it. And I'm willing to guess each of us, I'll speak for myself, came in really clear on like, I know what I would say yes to, I know what I would say no to, or what doesn't work for me. And again, we talked about this a little bit in the last episode. There's a maturity level there already because we're all independent business owners as well. So we know what we do, and I think we all saw potential that we could bring all that together and create something that didn't exist or that doesn't exist right now, but we could see that it would really support the transformation that I think we're all behind in terms of the people in the world we want to be supporting, which is primarily other women business owners. So shared vision, I think has always been there. And we've done a good job of I think even refining that further as we've started to play around with co-creating. But yeah, trust was there, I think, before we even came to the table. And Heather, I think you were the one who suggested it. Like, hey, what do you guys think about coming together? And it was an instant yes for me. I don't know about you, Elena.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think um this, I think there was a little seed planted even before that, with where you and I were like, yes, it's a you were. Yes. Do you want to create a mastermind? I was like, oh my god, I don't know. And we're like, we need we need a mastermind. I want to be in one, should it be appear? So I think we started having that conversation because of that like natural connection that we created through the curiosity. We wanted to sort of we wanted to go to the next level. We did, we did pretty quick, but like we just wanted to go to the next level, but we just we weren't quite, I think because we were so honest about, and this is part of it, like being really honest and safe being honest. I don't know if this is the right time. Yes, it can't feel like the right fits right now. Yeah, I want to do it, but this is not a good time. Like I had a full-time schedule, it just wasn't gonna work. Yeah, but I want it. Like, so I knew that was there. And so I think that sort of carried it along. And that by the time I think Heather, you came into the sort of the conversation with you two, and I wasn't even there, and you're like, What do you think? Like, yeah, okay, great. Because it because I felt it felt like a more um the timing was much better, first of all, for me. Um, and I was really like my curiosity was re-kicked up about it, and like I wondered what this could be. And I think that because, like you said, the curiosity, the connections, all the other pieces were there between the three of us separately, um, it was it felt very natural to go do it, to get curious about it and see what what happened. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

Yeah, and for me, trust is the I would say one of the biggest ones for me. Um and also just like a very clear understanding of like what I absolutely don't want to do, which is I don't want to do anything alone anymore. I don't want to be everything and every solution to every person I'm trying to help. I want there to be um uh a collective of resources that people can draw from and not just me. And and I built up a pretty robust consulting side of my life before there was a hub and and there was some crossover there too, and um and I really needed to trust the people that I was gonna collaborate with and or co-create with in this instance of like I don't want to, I want to make sure that the in integrity of what I'm promising people is kept intact. And so trusting that other people will also hold that integrity was very, very key for me. Um and I get so excited. So once I go from like, is this a potential? Like, is there a thing here to like, oh my gosh, there's like a yes from each of you. And like, okay, I I really have to rein myself in and not be like the let's get married person on the first date because I'm like, you know, have a million ideas on how that can happen. And and um, you know, we've each worked with so many different people. Um, you know, there could be so many different ways that we could help support, and that could be packaged this way or that way. And so I um, you know, also have to know myself enough to know when it does feel like a great time to bring something to the table, like when I trust people and um also slow roll my ideas so I don't scare anybody off because I wanna I do want to co-create and I I want to help people so bad. And I see people um, you know, struggling in so many areas that we can help with. And each time that we do something together, I'm just like, oh my gosh, like, do you know how many people we could help? Like, this is amazing. Um, because everybody gets to be in their gifts and superpowers in this setup.

SPEAKER_02 7:35

So you're adding to your parking lot of grand ideas. Your parking lot is quite long, I think.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

I have a few levels of the parking. It's a parking garage. Oh my gosh. I love it. Awesome. So nothing is gonna get lost. That's great. It won't. It won't, it for sure won't. I will always come to me, what do you think about this? Or I've been thinking about, or oh, you like that? Here's a full plan I created. Here you go. You said yeah, that we can joke about.

SPEAKER_03 8:06

So true.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

Oh my gosh, so true. So just to recap, it's it's like a not surface level trust. We feel safe sharing ideas, even the ones that are just like starting to form. We're not having to convince each other of anything, we're all like, yep, this, and we kind of feel it moving into our roles in a collaboration, our co-creation, they feel really natural. Um, maybe we can speak to that a little bit because I think we really didn't sit and define roles necessarily. Um, I think that is important in a partnership. It's crucial in a partnership. But with this, it's a little more, I would say the edges are a little looser, but I think because there's no power struggle, we don't have to explain, we sort of just know who holds what, but a lot of it is kind of learned as we go to. But I we kind of fell into sort of roles anyway, yeah. Based on our gifts, of course, but in the co-creation of our stuff, which we can mention a little bit, like some of the stuff we've co-created. Um, it has felt very natural. Like we are not going to be the ones decorating the table with the flowers and the vases, because that is most obviously how there's a gift, even though we can do it more beautiful. Yes. It's just we by observing each other, by witnessing each other, by being in our own gifts, we naturally fell into roles. So maybe we can speak to that a little bit and how roles and co-creation work. Do you want to start, Elena? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think I had the most curiosity about like, okay, well, what are we doing here? Like, what is the thing? And and it helped me to because I'll speak for myself as the Gemini manifesting generator 5-1 who can do all the things and has an idea in it every time I get inspired as well. Maybe not so much like the visionary action taker in that moment, but I do, I do like have a lot of stuff. Um, I'm like, well, what you know, what's most valuable here in this trifecta? What can I really bring? And it's sort of naturally, because being a copywriter and words are my jam, like my messaging skills are the ones that that I lead with in this trifecta. Like I am the one who helps, you know, when we're working with people in terms of getting their frameworks and their messaging going and how to talk about what they do in a way that's clear, builds confidence. So it helped me to be like, this is my lane in this trifecta. And that feels really good because I love doing it. It's really fun for me. And we could, again, we can all do all the things if we force ourselves to or just wanted to or thought we should, whatever. But it was great just being acknowledged for like we see this in you as well. And we, this is what you should be doing. Not should doesn't like you have to, but like, of course, it's it's like it's so obvious, which is great because sometimes we don't see that. We need someone around us reflecting me, like, this is like I just you're like born doing this no matter what happens. This is what you want to talk about all the time. Um, so that feels great. Again, it it, you know, I think on the on the pitfall side, it can feel limiting if you're not feeling honest about what you're bringing to the table. If you're like, oh, here I go again, talking about whatever. Like, I really don't want to talk about this anymore. You know, like I don't want to talk about self-care anymore. Like I was a self-care coach for many years and I really don't want to talk about self-care anymore. Like someone else is doing it. I want to talk about words and messaging and people being in their gifts and how to how to verbalize it in a way that just feels good in your body. So I think that is a really important piece of identifying self-identifying roles and then getting it reflected back in co-creation.

SPEAKER_02 11:32

Absolutely. It's interesting when you ask the question. I I I saw it in two ways. Like, so one being how we create together. And I see myself a little bit as the maybe an organizer or a little bit of a project manager in some respects. Um just making sure we're like following up on things or we've done the action items, or like, you know, something's in place that comes really naturally to me in terms of like how we bring things together and how we meet. Um, and then in terms of like when we're in our co-creation and we're working with people who are with us, I'm bringing in a different skill set. So I'm I'm I think I'm I bridge the two of you really nicely on the strategy side and on the um messaging side and supporting the people that we're working with from a nervous system perspective. So as we get, you know, in those places where we start to feel stuck or we're, you know, in our fear mode or fear fear mode, pardon me, or in scarcity, because we're doing something new, we're expanding, we're growing in different ways. I love being able to bring in the nervous system pieces to help our nervous system as well to expand with that. So we're not stuck in contraction and the somatic work as well, which I love. Just I think, you know, we probably haven't explored that as much as I would like to in the programming we've done so far because it's been shorter. But there's some, yeah, it's sort of fun to play with some of those pieces that are I think coming out of our last two-day workshop that we did, the three of us in California. Um, what was really fun to see is like no one else is doing it the same way because nobody else has each of our gifts. And so being able to kind of be that the weaving in between, maybe, or the bridge between, like, okay, we want to support you to, you know, hit that vision and get there. And Elaine is gonna do that like amazingly well with the the messaging and making sure that it it really lands for each individual. And Heather does an incredible job on the strategy, like, here are the steps, here's what it can look like, and it's so exciting. And then it's like inevitably, we're gonna be like, well, really? Am I gonna be able to do that? And that's where we can weave in this nervous system, it's somatic work. It's really special to see it come together. I wouldn't be able to do that on my own. It would just wouldn't have the same richness of you two bringing in all of your pieces. And I love that it's so uniquely different. We're bringing something together that doesn't exist.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

And so I spoke for you a little bit, Heather, but please speak about what you're bringing to the well, and I think that like something that has helped in defining our roles without us sitting down and going, what are each of our roles? Is that we each have so much experience doing what we've been doing for a number of years and working with so many different people. And so at first the dialogue kind of looked like, well, I've done this or this this has helped, or I've seen people like when they get to this place, need this type of thing. And so it was really speaking from experience. We could speak really confidently to it. And then our roles naturally kind of emerged in that as we started to then create what the experience was for people, we each were able to see so very clearly where we'd naturally gravitate towards, where we really are feeling passionate about supporting people, where we know that we can step in and do that. And um, and yeah, while I could fumble through like the question, like, well, how do you like, you know, work through your body feeling what I was like, I don't know, I just go for a friggin' walk, like I don't know, let's get over it, right? Like my delivery is gonna be not as helpful as like having a different perspective and a different voice in that too, and like sing with messaging, like, sure, I can help you kind of put together a marketing plan, but like the way that Elena is so eloquently has you know, again, her mind thinks and frameworks, and it's just like so easy to track and follow, and it just flows so well and like so naturally. And um, yes, I could sit there and be like, what do you mean? Like just like just get over it, like tell people like how to like because that's just a how I am wired, and I just go and it's and um it's made itself very obvious because we each have experience. Nothing was in theory. It was. We have taught these individual things, and you know, there's a long list of all these things that we've all done and experienced and work people through over the years, and it's just like a process of elimination of narrowing down what are people needing right now? Let's think specifically to the people we've helped. Let's name them, let's think specifically about what does Elena need? What does Sonia need? And as far as like our clients go, and really specifically think about the people we were creating for as well, which was very helpful too. Um, and so the the roles just kind of naturally have emerged and we've had fun with it. We've kind of like created our different like archetypes in that and and have that as a way to kind of explain to people what they're getting when they work with three very different people that are so incredibly skilled and talented. And um, and it's it's been really fun to like find that, and I really think it's so much about our lived experience.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

Yes, our lived experience. Totally. And you brought up a good point, Sonia, because there are two uh two sides to this role, right? It's the roles that we play in our gifts as we offer clients our services and what we're creating, but there's also roles within the trifecta, which I do think we kind of fell into pretty easily as well. Since, like, I, you know, the copywriter, I sort of take the lead on the first version of that and then let it let it go. Like we just sort of build on that. And then with all the technical and strategy and offering pieces, Heather's like just running with it. She knows exactly what pieces to put in place. Sonia's like really good at keeping us on point and and not even just taking notes, not about that. It's like keeping the big picture, like, hey, we considered this. Hey, don't forget that. Like just bringing the pieces together and also keeping us like uh we said we were gonna talk talk about this, like keep it going. Um, and it's not, it's not like forced. Again, it's not forced. We don't have to claim, like, I don't want to do this, you do this. It's really naughty. I don't think there's a moment of that. No, it's been like this is just sort of what we're doing, yeah. How we're doing it, and and we trust each other to be in our own, like not lane, but we just know we're gonna do it. And I don't think there's been a moment of like, have you done this yet? Or like, this is due tomorrow, check it in. Like, it's all it's a very like equal trust, maturity playing field. Like you said, we've been around for a long time, done many things, and we want to be here, which leads to the next piece, which is there is a creative energy that happens. Ideas build on each other, it feels very alive and not an effort. Like there are times where we're obviously putting an effort to keep things going, but not keep things going, but like figure things out, I would say. Um, but it's fun. We're like, let's let's create, like, let's get a whiteboard. We need to live through this. And we just all sort of contribute to each piece, but it's it's a very much a creative energy building between us within within a really good co-creation. It doesn't mean that we'll never have its moments and we'll deal with that as it comes, but it's been a while now, you know, it's been I think nine-ish, nine months or so. And what we've birthed so far has been in everything we've created, it's just felt so good. And there are times where you know we have personal things going on and life happens for each of us, and we just sort of like put a pause or we take it on, or we just move it, or we adjust, and that's just so good. It's so fun to be in that place of like not feeling like you have to, you know, push through and be someone different, and you just you just show up as you are, and like, you know, if I need my coffee in the morning, I need my coffee in the morning or traveling, or like you know, even traveling together. It was just such a pleasure. My only one regret is that I forgot to tell you to move your seat up on the airplane. I still feel so bad about that.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

Sitting in the back row middle seat because I forgot to upgrade or pay for a seat. And I forgot to remind you. Oh, that's not kneeling.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

No, that's not so that's that was really like the only thing. I have learned in the road. I remind her the first time, I forgot the second time.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

No, no, it's my responsibility.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Yeah, but truly, you know. I I would have not liked to sit in the back of the plane, but that's about it. That's really the only thing.

SPEAKER_00 20:09

And I think one of the key things too is that we are taking action. So we're not just meaning about something, trying to get it perfect, like really getting uh so down if something didn't take off like we thought. Like we're really taking each moment to be like, well, this is what we took away from that. Here's where we really loved this thing, or really felt alive, or really saw each of us in our element, and be able to then take that energy into the next thing. And and I would say wins and I guess technical losses even like haven't really they haven't been losses everything because give us something to continue to move forward and we want to move forward. We celebrate what we've learned, we move forward, and we also talk about what needs to be fine-tuned or changed or removed, or yeah, creating more space for something, um, and just being really reflective in a way that yeah, no one's taking anything personally. It's just it's it's been a great flow, and so much is through just trying things. Yes. Let's just let's just do this, let's just see what the reaction is or what the response is or what the conversations are like, or um, you know, I think one of my favorite things we decided was like we started an Instagram and then we were like, We're not actually we're not gonna have an Instagram for this because it just like it became too much of a distraction from what we were really trying to to do and and everything that we're co-creating with the Academy. So you were very happy about that. That was awesome. Very because it just was like another thing that didn't it didn't felt it didn't feel like what we were creating.

SPEAKER_02 21:58

No, it didn't.

SPEAKER_00 21:59

It it just felt like Another funnel when we're not trying to create funnels, we're trying to connect with people, we're trying to help them, we're trying to meet them where they're at, take them across the bridge of where they want to go, and truly provide really incredible real support through lived experienced guides to help them. And Instagram didn't feel like the vehicle to help get them over. No, no, you know, and we wouldn't have known unless we would have tried it and then we're like, let's actually let's not. Yeah. And and so it that's I think the encouragement piece from like if people are really considering co-creating with somebody, like just just try some stuff out. Like don't try to get it perfect. Yeah. And and you'll find the energy along the way too.

SPEAKER_01 22:50

Yeah, I love that. Um, yeah, I remember that day you were like just deleted it. You're so happy. It was great. I felt so much lighter. No kidding.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

I don't have to think about how to put this in a post or what yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

And it was really about you speaking the unspokens and us feeling the energy of like, you know what? Yeah, it will be more simple because I think one of the things we do really well together is create intimacy in our client's experience. Like we take a lot of time to talk about each client through our own lenses so that when we come to the moment of helping them teaching the workshop or the whatever it is, like they don't understand what they're getting. Like we've looked at it from all angles, like we're ready to go in. And so that's why the experiences and the testimonials and the feedback is like, oh my God, like I can't believe I just had this realization, changed my pricing, did this thing. Like they're they're in it because we're not just coming to like present information. We're we're like in it with them hot seating, having experiences. And I think regardless of the scale of whatever we create, I I would love to keep intimacy at the core because otherwise they can just get a book.

SPEAKER_02 24:01

Like, absolutely, absolutely. I think that experience, as you were just sharing that, Elena, it just I think our co-creation and that intimacy we're bringing into everything we offer also is creating more collaboration. Like we're actually collaborating with the individuals in our workshops, in our programming, and that we can only do that because we've created that intimacy. So I think that is really important. Um, and I think too that I wanted to share when you were talking, Heather, is it just rang true for me. Like your co-creation doesn't need to look like anyone else's. And that's the beauty in it is as you're coming together, whether that's another person or it's a group of people, like it doesn't have to look like what anyone else is doing. That's kind of the point.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

Yeah. Right?

SPEAKER_02 24:46

You get to bring your gifts together in a way and create something that doesn't exist in the same way, and no one else is going to be able to deliver it in the same way because it's a different group of people.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

I just saw this really cool collaboration that through a past coach who I've worked with a couple times now. She's like a messaging, uh, I didn't she's like beyond messaging. She's like cuts through all the bullshit and just like sees you. She's she does like what I what I do as well, but I just like her style is a little more, I don't know how to describe it, it's a little more edgy. Um, and I like for example, I took a mastermind with her where like her horses were part of the energetic pie. It was phenomenal. It was really beautiful, it's like so different and so interesting. And I saw her, she's doing a collaboration with this woman who I've also seen around, and she's like got like edges of what I do, but she helps people create their own tarot cards and she's like intuitive and like they're coming together. I was like, that's a cool collaboration. And like they brought their, they're bringing their deepest gifts into this experience where people will get this sort of like intuitive side and messaging side. And I was like, Oh, yeah, that's awesome. Totally rang true for something. I'm like, should I do it? Should I do it? Um, it it drew me in because it was such a cool collaboration. So, like Sonia said, like, you can, I mean, there's so many cool ways to collaborate with people and bring your gifts together. Like those are two separate things, but I see them together perfectly because it's like both of what I do, bringing my my intuition to messaging is really, really cool. And let's throw some tarot in while we're at it too. Why not?

SPEAKER_00 26:20

And that kind of brings up like a comment that like somebody has said about us, like where when they can see each of you and then they see you come together, and like, oh my gosh, that's so cool. I want that for myself too. Like, I want to find people, like it's also a great affirming piece that like each of us individually are like so incredibly strong, and the power of it all coming together, people are like, Oh, I get it, and like can see that um has been a really cool thing that you're talking about, your experience seeing other people, and then we've also had that too. Had that feedback. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

So on the other side of it are some red flags to watch for and what happens when people people try to skip straight into co-creation, which we've talked a little bit about, like just the misaligned invites to things where you're like, I don't get it. Why am I being invited to this? Like, or knowing that you're being invite being invited for a gift you didn't necessarily want to share. Like, I don't want to run this thing. Like, I just you know, yeah. Um, so a couple of things that we'll talk about are like it being rushed, meaning like you just met and you're like love bombing the other person in your business, and you're already like planning a huge offer together, which you know, I think could happen, like kind of like us when we sat down, yeah, right in the hub here. We're like, we did we just want to create something and do this. And I felt it, but I was like, oh, not not yet. Like not quite, not yet, because of just external reasons, but also like I'm not sure what this is yet. Just very smart and important for both of us to be aware of versus like, okay, yes, and then just feeling like you have to squeeze it in. So that um the vision isn't actually shared, like it sounds good, but you you really haven't done the curiosity and the connection, the celebration, the collaboration, even you're like you're just not aligned. That's okay. You're just different people. So you want to speak to that a little bit?

SPEAKER_02 28:13

I think, yeah, on that point, I think what I've seen more is that the vision might be like you face value, like, yeah, I believe in that. And then their behavior though dictates something else. So they may not actually believe that vision or they may not be living that vision. So it comes back to some integrity, I think, as well. So if when you have the time to get to know people and go through the other stages where you have the curiosity, the connection, and all those other pieces that we've talked about, you get to know somebody on that level as well. So it's, I think a lot of people want to be behind a certain vision or want to be who they are projecting themselves to be. And it's not until you can kind of see them in action and in their life and in their work that you know for certain if they're in integrity with that. Integrity is a big one. Yeah. Yeah. It's huge. And that's not always a conscious thing. Sometimes that's like a blind spot for people. Right. But I do think you want to suss that out a little bit first before you move into co-creation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

And sometimes the misalignment of a vision can be as simple as like, I want to create something for the masses that is a really low-ticket item that does have all of these funnels, that does run on its own, that creates quote unquote passive income versus what we're doing, which is something very intentional, very unique, high touch, low, um, you know, like smaller group, very intimate. And so even that, right? Like the vision of like just down to the basics of like how do you see like a program or a mastermind or something running, that vision could be misaligned from the get-go. And like having that conversation with somebody or considering collaborating or co-creating with, um, I think is pretty important because if one of us was at that place, then obviously we wouldn't be able to get to what we're creating now. Um, because that just isn't it just would be so very different in that approach. And yeah, at least, you know, anything can grow. There could be something that grows in what we're doing, we're creating that eventually could could be kind of the opposite of what we're creating now, but as something that builds on. And that could be a future vision thing. But you have to be really aligned even on some of those simple basic things from the from the beginning to even make sure that's gonna work totally.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

And I think we've done that without really like naming it as we were going, meaning like, how much time do we have to commit to this? Can we commit to a weekly meeting? Can we commit to you know, traveling for an event? Can we like I think we've done it naturally because we understand the the value of it, even if we didn't speak it like we need to align on these 10 things.

SPEAKER_00 30:56

Yeah, but what do we not want to do, right? Like we don't we don't want to sit there and spend time holding somebody's hand where they could Google the answers, right? Like that's not our highest and best use. That's not where we really shine, that's not where our gifts really come out. And and so, you know That's not where we get excited at this stage in our planet's life either. And I also don't feel great about like pay me whatever to like show you what Google or chat is gonna show you. Like, you know, so so that stuff I think also naming what you don't want to be doing is is almost just as important.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

Good point. Totally, totally another red flag, which we've talked a little bit about, but having like a subtle competition vibe where like you have to prove that you're the one who knows or needing to lead things or or um not feeling like you're you you have claimed your seat at the table. Um but I think any sense of competition is gonna throw off the energy because whether it's unconscious or not, I think there is um a lower energy vibration. Let's just call it what it is. That's not gonna be a full expression of what can happen if you're feeling like you have to, like you can't be just like sitting back and listening and being led. You have to lead and be led in collabor in a co-creation at different times and let the other let the person who's in their in their magic, in their zone, do their thing and not feel like you constantly have to have to show that you know also. You know, I think that's an energy that is not gonna create a long-term co-creation that has value to those who you're offering it to.

SPEAKER_02 32:32

I think there's a positive side to that as well. It's not competition so much as it is like when you see people you admire raise the bar, it's like okay, it's time for me to raise my game. Like it, I so I love that aspect of it, right?

SPEAKER_01 32:47

Which is the flip side. So totally, and I think like to me that it is subtle. I think competition has its own thing. Yeah. There's like a negative thing to it, but what you're talking about is actually really important. And we've talked about it. We're like, yes, like, oh my God, like Heather dreams so big. We should, we should dream a little bigger.

SPEAKER_02 33:04

Like, I'm gonna go home this weekend and do that.

SPEAKER_01 33:06

What can I do this bigger? And you know, and we have to sort of put our lot of people in it. Seriously. And I think and I think there's a really good conversation there because it's a natural thing for you, Heather. Like you just perform your dream in like that. It's your nature. Yeah, and I think there's there's nothing wrong with being like, yeah, great, I'll join the party, but like I don't want to create it. I'll support the hell out of it. Or, or like, okay, why does that scare me? Is there something I need to really look at within myself that is an edge of my capacity to hold it at this time? I think both are very important to do with a good self-reflection and a good mentor, good conversations and be like, wow, that just makes me tired. Yeah, not for me. Or like, I actually can feel excited about it, but I actually don't understand how I would get there. Like, my brain is not there. I have not done that yet to where I can even see my identity doing that. So maybe I'm stepping into a new identity and I'm like, okay, I can be inspired by this. It maybe take me like 28 steps to get there, but that's great. I think that's inspiration, that's rubbing off on each other in a good way. Maybe we'll like have Heather meditating a little bit, like, I know shaking off, sitting still for five minutes, like meditating. Yeah, and I think that is just you're all rising together in a way that is like filling in aspects of your own little bit of shadow or a little bit of insecurity or a little bit of like parts of you that you didn't even think were there. And that's the cool thing about location.

SPEAKER_02 34:38

It is, and I there's so many aspects to this. It's all for your growth, right? If you can come in and not take something personally and look at yourself and look at like what is this calling forward for me or raising for me? I I also just I really love seeing people in their element, and it gets me to be like, okay, how can I step more fully into mine? Like I love seeing that. So I, you know, I've said this to you both. Like when I see you in action and it's like we're in flow, it's like, oh, I have so many ideas. Like, I just that's where for me I respond really well when I am in relationship with others. I if I had to sit behind the desk all day and create from nothing, I would I would create nothing. There'd be nothing there. But when I see other people doing their thing, it's like, I don't know, everything percolates for me. And I I just I love that feeling. So I get so much out of seeing you both succeed in in what you do best and showing up and expressing yourselves. It just I don't think there's anything that inspires me more, to be honest. So for me, it's just really energizing and it just reminds me like, oh yeah, this is where I meant to be.

SPEAKER_03 35:43

So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:45

The final two things are we already talked about, like having that connection, the foundation of building trust and connection. Um, if it feels heavy or confusing, like you said, like we we take action. Like y'all will talk through things, but we we back it with action thanks to Sonia's organization. You're always like, what's the next step? If there's a lot of talking, not a lot of clarity, something feels off, like you can just press the pause button. You might still want to do it. Maybe like the way you're doing it, maybe the tone of it or the scale of it or the price of it or something is off doesn't mean that the whole co-creation is off. It's important to get through those moments too where you're like not quite sure, which is the second piece, which is don't override your intuition. Like you want it to work. If something feels off and you're ignoring it, that's like the best, fastest way to just have it crash and burn. Yes. Versus saying, like, like kind of like we did, let's this is like, yeah, it feels like a yes, but pause. Yes. Like we're not quite there. And if I think if you push through that just like anything else, if you're feeling off and you push through anyway, it's gonna be a great opportunity for a lesson. So true. Or an experience that I like you said, everything's for your growth. So I don't want to like, you know, say just dump the whole thing and run. Like lean into it. Like, what is off here? Yeah. Maybe there is some element that we need to switch out that feels better.

SPEAKER_02 37:07

Absolutely. Yeah. Your intuition is always there. It's just whether or not you can kind of tap into it and trust it in that moment. But it's true, it'll it'll lead you, regardless of what decision you make. It will lead you to some new lesson.

SPEAKER_01 37:19

Yeah. Always. Yeah. Always a lesson. So before we wrap up, do we want to share one or two of the things that we have co-created that were so fun and so juicy? Maybe just like a one or two. We don't have to give the whole thing away.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

I mean, this podcast, like I think it's yeah, I, you know, and of course, like I am dropping little hins, like when we did the first few episodes, and then I uh dropped the links to Laze. I'm like, I see an award-winning podcast in our future. You know, it's uh just it's fun. It's it's fun to create and then um get to feel the energy of it, and then to like for me, anyways, like you know, see a few steps in the future of like, oh this could be uh just one or two, meaning podcasting two or things do a sitting near near you. Um but that I'm not lying. I would I would say, um, I mean, this is just like a prime example of like us and our element. There's really like there's a really rough outline, there's no script, it's just like us in our zone and and really showcasing that trust and um that we're all just like leaning on one another to just like feel into the energy of what we're talking about and the situations, and we don't need to know who starts or finishes, we're just going with it. And uh that's this is I love everything that we're co-creating. I'll at I'll contribute this to the yeah to what we're co-creating and maybe more in the future. We'll see.

SPEAKER_02 38:57

Mm-hmm. I I mean we have we have a few things we could speak to. I think for me, I just I love when we can be in person, which is like and we travel well together, which was so much fun. We did that this last year. Um there's something really special about being able to be in person. I think the same thing is true when you can be in a smaller, more intimate group online. We've all been online where it can be great. The connection can be wonderful, and it can also be like, you know, there's a hundred people on, and it's you don't have the same one-to-one. But when we are in person or in these smaller gatherings together and we're all bringing our best to the to the scene, like to the table. It's we've had so many amazing, like for each of us, I think, our own little aha's like, wow, that really landed. Oh, that was great what you did. And like we're actually celebrating each other as we are celebrating the clients who are coming to us and receiving the programming that we're creating. And it is so collaborative, it is so intimate. It's just really special. Like you can see their moments of like, oh wow, that just landed. And we're both, we're all cheering each other on, I think, as well in our own elements. So there's something, yeah, I don't know. There's just that magic is there, and it's the more we do these projects together, the more of that. And I think the more roots we create, the more depth we're creating, and finding kind of our co-creative footprint, if that makes sense. We're kind of finding our signature things throughout programming.

SPEAKER_01 40:34

Yeah, and speaking just like as an overriding arc, arch, arc, arc, arc, um, the intimacy definitely rises up. Um, being in our own sort of zone of you know, excellence and also like appreciating, witnessing what's happening. I think we're all really good at being on an intimate level in whatever room we're holding and whatever, like the person that we're working with at in that moment is the focus. Like they're not gonna leave the room feeling like, oh, I didn't, I didn't really show up because they're almost like invited into the most healthy, safe container where they can feel like we're gonna, we're like our main intention is to help them, to help them rise, to help them be seen, to help them take the next step or 10. Because and I truly feel that like with everyone we've worked with, there's this like excitement to help them because we see them really well from from each of our vantage points. So everything that we create moving forward and everything we've done already has this beautiful space of like, I can I can do my thing and lean back and watch and take it in and also make notes because what we do, you know, we also do really well is we then we come together. We're like, okay, here's what we see each see.

SPEAKER_03 41:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:56

And then when we come back to our client or whatever we're doing, they get this like three-dimensional, you know, but it's not just one, it's everything. Like, yeah, I I it's like we can bottle it up.

SPEAKER_00 42:09

It's we're bottling it up, it's a really good experience. And I think the longer programming stuff is what I'm most excited for because what we're doing when we're in a room with somebody is it's not just knowledge-based, it's not just motivational. It really is transformational. And we have seen already in the rooms for like the workshops, the shorter periods of time stuff that it's like you'll see a transformation happen, whether it is a messaging shift or a pricing shift, or really packaging their entire core offer suite, um, or how they actually move through that in their body in ways that they haven't tried before and they're really like just looking to move through this with um more wholeness to them. It is all all pieces of it are transformational. And I'm so excited to walk through that with people on some of the longer stuff, whether it's with the academy, which will be one of our like main core signature things that we offer people of watching them month over month make these transformations that stick that isn't just the like flash in the pan type stuff. It's just it's not the being so excited they take action from listening to a podcast or um, you know, putting their their plan in action after uh working through that in a couple day workshop. It's it's meeting each step that okay, my my pricing adjustment has worked up until this point, and now I'm hitting a a hiccup here. I'm I'm reaching out to new people, but I think I need some messaging help and like really watching each transformation, see it through is what I'm like like most excited about is like that longer form stuff and walking through it all together with them.

SPEAKER_01 43:58

I love it. That's so Good, so good, so good. Um, so just to kind of do a quick overview, we have talked about this sort of conscious framework of co-creation through aligned partnerships or aligned conscious connection, starting with curiosity, where there's something about her, you're drawn in, you want to know more, making a connection, start talking, conversation, nurturing, leaning in, creating a community, a sense of identity. We are this, we can do this together, like we're in this thing together, whether it's taking dance classes or pickleball or marketing or like you're the ones who read, you know, business books together, or something where you're like building an identity around being together, celebrating each other, um, where you're whether you're sharing each other's offers or just seeing them and reflecting back what you're seeing, which is really, really undervalued and very important. Onto collaboration where you are sharing a vision. I bring this, you bring that. We trust each other, we're combining our skills to create something really cool, all the way to co-creation where you're it wouldn't exist without you being together with either this one person or multiple people multiple people. Um, and we're not going to talk about conscious partnership, but just know that's like on the horizon where I think a lot of people do sort of think about building a business together, but just know having done it myself, um, I think you have done it, Heather. Have you like built with someone right? So it's like um it's a very legal interaction. It's like bringing together assets, it is um investing in things together. It is a real marriage and business. So you need an attorney, you need an attorney. Yes, yes. We need an exit plan. You need all kinds of acknowledgements. So we're not talking about that today because that's not what we're doing here. But just know that even getting to that, like people just get excited and want to build. I've seen it, I've seen people do it and then crash very quickly. Um, so it's important that you sort of take this in and understand that you you might never want to get to you know, co-creation or conscious partnership. You want to just maybe have some fun along the way, work with some cool people and create things together. Even with that, taking time to go through curiosity, connection, community, and celebration will give you more of a foundation, even if it took you like a week to get through it. It just gives you more of a foundation.

SPEAKER_00 46:17

So that's our framework. That's our framework. We'll see you inside the academy and in our future podcast. I'm gonna commit us to that.